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		<title>By: Alexander Sandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Sandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-27604&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Dima&lt;/a&gt;
Simple. Because kernel had a reason to swap these 5G out of memory and didn&#039;t have a reason the return them back to memory again. The sheer fact that you have free memory, doesn&#039;t mean kernel can bring all swap contents back to RAM. It will do so on demand.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;28432&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;28432&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-27604\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Dima&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nSimple. Because kernel had a reason to swap these 5G out of memory and didn\&#039;t have a reason the return them back to memory again. The sheer fact that you have free memory, doesn\&#039;t mean kernel can bring all swap contents back to RAM. It will do so on demand.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-27604' rel="nofollow">@Dima</a><br />
Simple. Because kernel had a reason to swap these 5G out of memory and didn&#8217;t have a reason the return them back to memory again. The sheer fact that you have free memory, doesn&#8217;t mean kernel can bring all swap contents back to RAM. It will do so on demand.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('28432','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('28432','Alexander Sandler','&lt;a href=\'#comment-27604\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Dima&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nSimple. Because kernel had a reason to swap these 5G out of memory and didn\'t have a reason the return them back to memory again. The sheer fact that you have free memory, doesn\'t mean kernel can bring all swap contents back to RAM. It will do so on demand.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Dima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can somebody please explain this:

[553]=&gt; free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:         20116       2845      17271          0         12        333
-/+ buffers/cache:       2499      17617
Swap:        30485       5374      25111

I got 17G of free memory, yet over 5G is swapped out, making my UI literally freeze for seconds. Why is it using swap at all with all the free memory bleeding out of its ears?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;27604&#039;,&#039;Dima&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;27604&#039;,&#039;Dima&#039;,&#039;Can somebody please explain this:\r\n\r\n&#091;553&#093;=&gt; free -m\r\n             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached\r\nMem:         20116       2845      17271          0         12        333\r\n-\/+ buffers\/cache:       2499      17617\r\nSwap:        30485       5374      25111\r\n\r\nI got 17G of free memory, yet over 5G is swapped out, making my UI literally freeze for seconds. Why is it using swap at all with all the free memory bleeding out of its ears?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can somebody please explain this:</p>
<p>[553]=&gt; free -m<br />
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached<br />
Mem:         20116       2845      17271          0         12        333<br />
-/+ buffers/cache:       2499      17617<br />
Swap:        30485       5374      25111</p>
<p>I got 17G of free memory, yet over 5G is swapped out, making my UI literally freeze for seconds. Why is it using swap at all with all the free memory bleeding out of its ears?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('27604','Dima'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('27604','Dima','Can somebody please explain this:\r\n\r\n&amp;#91;553&amp;#93;=&amp;gt; free -m\r\n             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached\r\nMem:         20116       2845      17271          0         12        333\r\n-\/+ buffers\/cache:       2499      17617\r\nSwap:        30485       5374      25111\r\n\r\nI got 17G of free memory, yet over 5G is swapped out, making my UI literally freeze for seconds. Why is it using swap at all with all the free memory bleeding out of its ears?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Alexander Sandler</title>
		<link>http://www.alexonlinux.com/swap-vs-no-swap/comment-page-1#comment-27216</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Sandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-27213&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@user&lt;/a&gt;
There&#039;s one case where swap is very useful and actually this is where it used most of the time. This is during RAM usage spikes.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;27216&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;27216&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-27213\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@user&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nThere\&#039;s one case where swap is very useful and actually this is where it used most of the time. This is during RAM usage spikes.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-27213' rel="nofollow">@user</a><br />
There&#8217;s one case where swap is very useful and actually this is where it used most of the time. This is during RAM usage spikes.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('27216','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('27216','Alexander Sandler','&lt;a href=\'#comment-27213\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@user&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nThere\'s one case where swap is very useful and actually this is where it used most of the time. This is during RAM usage spikes.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: user</title>
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		<dc:creator>user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swap is not panacea. When swap is off and system runs out of memory - it HSLTS IIMEDIATELY after all RAM is full.
When swap is on and system runs out of memory - it became almost hooked up and unresponsive with permanent swapping process which ends up with same result HALT but LATER.
In any case swaping did not save system from run out of memory. It just make system death more prolonged and more painful (at least for HDD).
I believe on average desktop usage there is no reason to use swap when RAM is 4Gb or more. Suspend-to-disk is another story.
I have 1Gb on my PC and feels comfortable without swap but ususally I mount 1Gb swap partition which is untouched by system most of the time... BTW, I use KDE and it perfectly fits in 1Gb RAM even with running FF with dozens tabs.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;27213&#039;,&#039;user&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;27213&#039;,&#039;user&#039;,&#039;Swap is not panacea. When swap is off and system runs out of memory - it HSLTS IIMEDIATELY after all RAM is full.\r\nWhen swap is on and system runs out of memory - it became almost hooked up and unresponsive with permanent swapping process which ends up with same result HALT but LATER.\r\nIn any case swaping did not save system from run out of memory. It just make system death more prolonged and more painful (at least for HDD).\r\nI believe on average desktop usage there is no reason to use swap when RAM is 4Gb or more. Suspend-to-disk is another story.\r\nI have 1Gb on my PC and feels comfortable without swap but ususally I mount 1Gb swap partition which is untouched by system most of the time... BTW, I use KDE and it perfectly fits in 1Gb RAM even with running FF with dozens tabs.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swap is not panacea. When swap is off and system runs out of memory &#8211; it HSLTS IIMEDIATELY after all RAM is full.<br />
When swap is on and system runs out of memory &#8211; it became almost hooked up and unresponsive with permanent swapping process which ends up with same result HALT but LATER.<br />
In any case swaping did not save system from run out of memory. It just make system death more prolonged and more painful (at least for HDD).<br />
I believe on average desktop usage there is no reason to use swap when RAM is 4Gb or more. Suspend-to-disk is another story.<br />
I have 1Gb on my PC and feels comfortable without swap but ususally I mount 1Gb swap partition which is untouched by system most of the time&#8230; BTW, I use KDE and it perfectly fits in 1Gb RAM even with running FF with dozens tabs.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('27213','user'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('27213','user','Swap is not panacea. When swap is off and system runs out of memory - it HSLTS IIMEDIATELY after all RAM is full.\r\nWhen swap is on and system runs out of memory - it became almost hooked up and unresponsive with permanent swapping process which ends up with same result HALT but LATER.\r\nIn any case swaping did not save system from run out of memory. It just make system death more prolonged and more painful (at least for HDD).\r\nI believe on average desktop usage there is no reason to use swap when RAM is 4Gb or more. Suspend-to-disk is another story.\r\nI have 1Gb on my PC and feels comfortable without swap but ususally I mount 1Gb swap partition which is untouched by system most of the time... BTW, I use KDE and it perfectly fits in 1Gb RAM even with running FF with dozens tabs.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Alexander Sandler</title>
		<link>http://www.alexonlinux.com/swap-vs-no-swap/comment-page-1#comment-27138</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Sandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-26931&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Cormac&lt;/a&gt;
No. I can&#039;t. Sorry.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;27138&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;27138&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-26931\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Cormac&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nNo. I can\&#039;t. Sorry.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-26931' rel="nofollow">@Cormac</a><br />
No. I can&#8217;t. Sorry.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('27138','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('27138','Alexander Sandler','&lt;a href=\'#comment-26931\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Cormac&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nNo. I can\'t. Sorry.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-26929&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Alexander Sandler&lt;/a&gt; - Could you point out the leak in the following Java code? Thanks.

public class MemLeak {

	public static void main(String [] args){
		while(true){
			System.out.println(&quot;I&#039;m a memory leak...am I?&quot;);
			Thread.sleep(5000);
		}
	}
}&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26931&#039;,&#039;Cormac&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26931&#039;,&#039;Cormac&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-26929\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Alexander Sandler&lt;\/a&gt; - Could you point out the leak in the following Java code? Thanks.\r\n\r\npublic class MemLeak {\r\n\r\n	public static void main(String &#091;&#093; args){\r\n		while(true){\r\n			System.out.println(\&quot;I\&#039;m a memory leak...am I?\&quot;);\r\n			Thread.sleep(5000);\r\n		}\r\n	}\r\n}&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-26929' rel="nofollow">@Alexander Sandler</a> &#8211; Could you point out the leak in the following Java code? Thanks.</p>
<p>public class MemLeak {</p>
<p>	public static void main(String [] args){<br />
		while(true){<br />
			System.out.println(&#8220;I&#8217;m a memory leak&#8230;am I?&#8221;);<br />
			Thread.sleep(5000);<br />
		}<br />
	}<br />
}
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('26931','Cormac'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('26931','Cormac','&lt;a href=\'#comment-26929\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Alexander Sandler&lt;\/a&gt; - Could you point out the leak in the following Java code? Thanks.\r\n\r\npublic class MemLeak {\r\n\r\n	public static void main(String &amp;#91;&amp;#93; args){\r\n		while(true){\r\n			System.out.println(\&quot;I\'m a memory leak...am I?\&quot;);\r\n			Thread.sleep(5000);\r\n		}\r\n	}\r\n}'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Alexander Sandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Sandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-26755&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Cormac&lt;/a&gt;
Yes.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26929&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26929&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-26755\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Cormac&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nYes.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-26755' rel="nofollow">@Cormac</a><br />
Yes.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('26929','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('26929','Alexander Sandler','&lt;a href=\'#comment-26755\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Cormac&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nYes.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All programs have memory leaks -- are you for real?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;26755&#039;,&#039;Cormac&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;26755&#039;,&#039;Cormac&#039;,&#039;All programs have memory leaks -- are you for real?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All programs have memory leaks &#8212; are you for real?
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		<title>By: Why Linux Consumes Available Memory? &#124; LinuxReaders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Linux Consumes Available Memory? &#124; LinuxReaders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Article 2 Linux uses all available memory to do I/O cache â€“ that is to save portions of the hard disk space and to serve it straight from the memory avoiding relatively long disk access. This is why for instance when you copy several large files from one place to another several times in a row, second copy takes significantly fewer time then the first. This is also the reason why, in Linux, it takes a second to write a megabyte to a floppy disk, a device known for its slowliness â€“ the data being written to the memory and not to an actual disk. [...]
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('24617','Why Linux Consumes Available Memory? | LinuxReaders'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('24617','Why Linux Consumes Available Memory? | LinuxReaders','&amp;#91;...&amp;#93; Article 2 Linux uses all available memory to do I\/O cache &acirc;€“ that is to save portions of the hard disk space and to serve it straight from the memory avoiding relatively long disk access. This is why for instance when you copy several large files from one place to another several times in a row, second copy takes significantly fewer time then the first. This is also the reason why, in Linux, it takes a second to write a megabyte to a floppy disk, a device known for its slowliness &acirc;€“ the data being written to the memory and not to an actual disk. &amp;#91;...&amp;#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Alexander Sandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Sandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-23589&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Computer Support&lt;/a&gt;
Thanks. I&#039;ll check this out.
(What&#039;s K-Meleon for heaven&#039;s sake?)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;23592&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;23592&#039;,&#039;Alexander Sandler&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-23589\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Computer Support&lt;\/a&gt;\r\nThanks. I\&#039;ll check this out.\r\n(What\&#039;s K-Meleon for heaven\&#039;s sake?)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-23589' rel="nofollow">@Computer Support</a><br />
Thanks. I&#8217;ll check this out.<br />
(What&#8217;s K-Meleon for heaven&#8217;s sake?)
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