Comments on: Mono is here to stay http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-23080 Alexander Sandler Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:33:08 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-23080 <a href='#comment-22962' rel="nofollow">@turtlewax</a> I thought about what you've written and it seems that my opinion on the subject is, at least partially, originates from what you've described and referring to. Thanks for sharing the idea.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('23080','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('23080','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22962\' rel=\"nofollow\">@turtlewax<\/a>\r\nI thought about what you\'ve written and it seems that my opinion on the subject is, at least partially, originates from what you\'ve described and referring to. Thanks for sharing the idea.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @turtlewax
I thought about what you’ve written and it seems that my opinion on the subject is, at least partially, originates from what you’ve described and referring to. Thanks for sharing the idea.
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]]> By: turtlewax http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22962 turtlewax Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:11:40 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22962 >>If you take and use all the energy >>they put into Microsoft hatred If we could represent evil as a vector defined by direction and magnitude, we'd find that each of us, on any given day, have committed selfish acts comparable to Microsoft (in direction). But the magnitude for a large corporation will be much greater. This statement will of course be ill-received. No one wants to be compared to Microsoft. We wear shoes manufactured in a sweatshop. Most of the products we use are affordable because they were manufactured in countries with minimal environmental and labor regulation. Yeah, I know all these issues are completely unrelated to the "real issue" of how evil Microsoft is. And that's really convenient because it let's us all continue our smug sanctimonious FOSS existence, riding piggy-back on a commercially funded global network, ranting away on a blog site sponsored by google ads. Here's some fodder.... http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1988/12/mm1288_07.html http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1990/12/mokhiber.html http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1995/01/mm0195.html#nigeria<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22962','turtlewax'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22962','turtlewax','>>If you take and use all the energy\r\n>>they put into Microsoft hatred\r\n\r\nIf we could represent evil as a vector defined by direction and magnitude, we\'d find that each of us, on any given day, have committed selfish acts comparable to Microsoft (in direction). But the magnitude for a large corporation will be much greater. This statement will of course be ill-received. No one wants to be compared to Microsoft.\r\n\r\nWe wear shoes manufactured in a sweatshop. Most of the products we use are affordable because they were manufactured in countries with minimal environmental and labor regulation.\r\n\r\nYeah, I know all these issues are completely unrelated to the \"real issue\" of how evil Microsoft is. And that\'s really convenient because it let\'s us all continue our smug sanctimonious FOSS existence, riding piggy-back on a commercially funded global network, ranting away on a blog site sponsored by google ads.\r\n\r\nHere\'s some fodder....\r\nhttp:\/\/multinationalmonitor.org\/hyper\/issues\/1988\/12\/mm1288_07.html\r\nhttp:\/\/multinationalmonitor.org\/hyper\/issues\/1990\/12\/mokhiber.html\r\nhttp:\/\/multinationalmonitor.org\/hyper\/issues\/1995\/01\/mm0195.html#nigeria'); return false;">Quote</a></div> >>If you take and use all the energy
>>they put into Microsoft hatred

If we could represent evil as a vector defined by direction and magnitude, we’d find that each of us, on any given day, have committed selfish acts comparable to Microsoft (in direction). But the magnitude for a large corporation will be much greater. This statement will of course be ill-received. No one wants to be compared to Microsoft.

We wear shoes manufactured in a sweatshop. Most of the products we use are affordable because they were manufactured in countries with minimal environmental and labor regulation.

Yeah, I know all these issues are completely unrelated to the “real issue” of how evil Microsoft is. And that’s really convenient because it let’s us all continue our smug sanctimonious FOSS existence, riding piggy-back on a commercially funded global network, ranting away on a blog site sponsored by google ads.

Here’s some fodder….
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1988/12/mm1288_07.html
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1990/12/mokhiber.html
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1995/01/mm0195.html#nigeria

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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22951 Alexander Sandler Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:37:44 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22951 <a href='#comment-22949' rel="nofollow">@saulgoode</a> Thanks the posting this. I already managed to cover this here: http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay-period<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22951','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22951','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22949\' rel=\"nofollow\">@saulgoode<\/a>\r\nThanks the posting this. I already managed to cover this here:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.alexonlinux.com\/mono-is-here-to-stay-period'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @saulgoode
Thanks the posting this. I already managed to cover this here:
http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay-period
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]]> By: saulgoode http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22949 saulgoode Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:12:23 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22949 @Alexander, Actually, just hours before I made my post, Microsoft appears to have finally provided just such a promise not to sue of the ECMA technologies. http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22949','saulgoode'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22949','saulgoode','@Alexander,\r\n\r\nActually, just hours before I made my post, Microsoft appears to have finally provided just such a promise not to sue of the ECMA technologies.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/port25.technet.com\/archive\/2009\/07\/06\/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Alexander,

Actually, just hours before I made my post, Microsoft appears to have finally provided just such a promise not to sue of the ECMA technologies.

http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx

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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22943 Alexander Sandler Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:40:22 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22943 @saulgoode
No. I can’t. This is a mistake I made. Sorry. I muddled up with a deal between Novell and MS, here (see Mono and Microsoft’s patents): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)

I’ll fix the post.

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]]> By: saulgoode http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22942 saulgoode Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:30:58 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22942 > Microsoft, on several occasions, proclaimed > that they are not going to sue Mono for > whatever reason. Could you provide an example of one of these occasions? What was said? By whom?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22942','saulgoode'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22942','saulgoode','> Microsoft, on several occasions, proclaimed \r\n> that they are not going to sue Mono for \r\n> whatever reason. \r\n\r\nCould you provide an example of one of these occasions? What was said? By whom?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> > Microsoft, on several occasions, proclaimed
> that they are not going to sue Mono for
> whatever reason.

Could you provide an example of one of these occasions? What was said? By whom?

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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22936 Alexander Sandler Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:45:30 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22936 <a href='#comment-22923' rel="nofollow">@turtlewax</a> This has always been this way and probably always will be :-) Yet there's something else in here. It's the FLOSS world against Microsoft thing. If you take and use all the energy they put into Microsoft hatred you could replace a medium size power plant.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22936','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22936','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22923\' rel=\"nofollow\">@turtlewax<\/a>\r\nThis has always been this way and probably always will be :-)\r\nYet there\'s something else in here. It\'s the FLOSS world against Microsoft thing. If you take and use all the energy they put into Microsoft hatred you could replace a medium size power plant.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @turtlewax
This has always been this way and probably always will be :-)
Yet there’s something else in here. It’s the FLOSS world against Microsoft thing. If you take and use all the energy they put into Microsoft hatred you could replace a medium size power plant.
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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22935 Alexander Sandler Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:41:54 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22935 <a href='#comment-22922' rel="nofollow">@Jason</a> When I mentioned fundamentalists, it seems that I meant exactly you. I intentionally didn't specify what kind of cooperation took place between Mono and Microsoft, simply because I didn't want to get into details. I don't know all the details and frankly this wasn't the point of the post. So in some way you are right. Yet you managed to pull a 500 word long flame post out of thin air, accusing me of spreading FUD? Am I spreading fear, doubt and uncertainty? Are you kidding me? Considering the name of your blog I don't even want to get into explaining why Mono is good and important. Just burn in the fire of truth and by all means stay away from me. Oh and please don't bother to respond. Instead, why don't you just allow comments on your own blog, so that those inflamed by your understanding of truth will have a fair chance to respond.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22935','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22935','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22922\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Jason<\/a>\r\nWhen I mentioned fundamentalists, it seems that I meant exactly you. \r\n\r\nI intentionally didn\'t specify what kind of cooperation took place between Mono and Microsoft, simply because I didn\'t want to get into details. I don\'t know all the details and frankly this wasn\'t the point of the post. So in some way you are right. Yet you managed to pull a 500 word long flame post out of thin air, accusing me of spreading FUD? Am I spreading fear, doubt and uncertainty? Are you kidding me?\r\n\r\nConsidering the name of your blog I don\'t even want to get into explaining why Mono is good and important. Just burn in the fire of truth and by all means stay away from me.\r\n\r\nOh and please don\'t bother to respond. Instead, why don\'t you just allow comments on your own blog, so that those inflamed by your understanding of truth will have a fair chance to respond.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Jason
When I mentioned fundamentalists, it seems that I meant exactly you.

I intentionally didn’t specify what kind of cooperation took place between Mono and Microsoft, simply because I didn’t want to get into details. I don’t know all the details and frankly this wasn’t the point of the post. So in some way you are right. Yet you managed to pull a 500 word long flame post out of thin air, accusing me of spreading FUD? Am I spreading fear, doubt and uncertainty? Are you kidding me?

Considering the name of your blog I don’t even want to get into explaining why Mono is good and important. Just burn in the fire of truth and by all means stay away from me.

Oh and please don’t bother to respond. Instead, why don’t you just allow comments on your own blog, so that those inflamed by your understanding of truth will have a fair chance to respond.

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]]> By: turtlewax http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22923 turtlewax Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:06:48 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22923 The Italians and Irish are here to stay as well. ;-) Its funny how a culture reacts to an infusion of new ideas. I remember way,way back to the early 90s, how much usenet users despised AOL, because it flooded the internet with "idiots", when the internet was clearly only intended for the guru elite.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22923','turtlewax'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22923','turtlewax','The Italians and Irish are here to stay as well. ;-)\r\n\r\nIts funny how a culture reacts to an infusion of new ideas. I remember way,way back to the early 90s, how much usenet users despised AOL, because it flooded the internet with \"idiots\", when the internet was clearly only intended for the guru elite.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The Italians and Irish are here to stay as well. ;-)

Its funny how a culture reacts to an infusion of new ideas. I remember way,way back to the early 90s, how much usenet users despised AOL, because it flooded the internet with “idiots”, when the internet was clearly only intended for the guru elite.

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]]> By: Jason http://www.alexonlinux.com/mono-is-here-to-stay/comment-page-1#comment-22922 Jason Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:06:35 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1508#comment-22922 Hmmm. My thoughts on my <a href="http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/06/weak-sauce-arguments-are-here-to-stay/" rel="nofollow">blog</a>. Summary: Microsoft has *not* promised not to sue mono, and "some sort of cooperation" is a little bit on the vague side.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22922','Jason'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22922','Jason','Hmmm. My thoughts on my <a href=\"http:\/\/mono-nono.com\/2009\/07\/06\/weak-sauce-arguments-are-here-to-stay\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">blog<\/a>.\r\n\r\nSummary:\r\nMicrosoft has *not* promised not to sue mono, and \"some sort of cooperation\" is a little bit on the vague side.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hmmm. My thoughts on my blog.

Summary:
Microsoft has *not* promised not to sue mono, and “some sort of cooperation” is a little bit on the vague side.

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