Comments on: 6 things that I miss in bash http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:17:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22687 Alexander Sandler Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:51:42 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22687 <a href='#comment-22686' rel="nofollow">@Dan</a> It seems that 6st point concerns a lot of people. And it will definitely be a pain to implement. Yet, when I think how useful something like this might be, I think it may be worth the effort.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22687','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22687','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22686\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Dan<\/a>\r\nIt seems that 6st point concerns a lot of people. And it will definitely be a pain to implement. Yet, when I think how useful something like this might be, I think it may be worth the effort.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Dan
It seems that 6st point concerns a lot of people. And it will definitely be a pain to implement. Yet, when I think how useful something like this might be, I think it may be worth the effort.
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]]> By: Dan http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22686 Dan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:30:10 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22686 Pretty good article. I agree about the 2nd point (completion of directory names based on their usage), it seems really useful and it should be implemented. The other ones are OK too, but I think point 6 (fix typos) would become very dangerous. This can lead to editing files accidentally, files which you wouldn't want to edit (I'm thinking of files like /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list~ or xorg.conf~ or hosts.allow, hosts.deny etc). It would be probably a pain to implement too.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22686','Dan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22686','Dan','Pretty good article.\r\n\r\nI agree about the 2nd point (completion of directory names based on their usage), it seems really useful and it should be implemented. The other ones are OK too, but I think point 6 (fix typos) would become very dangerous. This can lead to editing files accidentally, files which you wouldn\'t want to edit (I\'m thinking of files like \/etc\/apt\/sources.list and sources.list~ or xorg.conf~ or hosts.allow, hosts.deny etc). It would be probably a pain to implement too.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Pretty good article.

I agree about the 2nd point (completion of directory names based on their usage), it seems really useful and it should be implemented. The other ones are OK too, but I think point 6 (fix typos) would become very dangerous. This can lead to editing files accidentally, files which you wouldn’t want to edit (I’m thinking of files like /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list~ or xorg.conf~ or hosts.allow, hosts.deny etc). It would be probably a pain to implement too.

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]]> By: jeff http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22676 jeff Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:51:42 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22676 @Craig: shopt -s nullglob; echo *.obj also quite useful in Bash: inline tab completion and magic-space see: http://codesnippets.joyent.com/posts/show/1690<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22676','jeff'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22676','jeff','@Craig: shopt -s nullglob; echo *.obj\r\n\r\nalso quite useful in Bash: inline tab completion and magic-space\r\n\r\nsee: http:\/\/codesnippets.joyent.com\/posts\/show\/1690'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Craig: shopt -s nullglob; echo *.obj

also quite useful in Bash: inline tab completion and magic-space

see: http://codesnippets.joyent.com/posts/show/1690

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]]> By: fred http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22657 fred Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:51:59 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22657 Well, I would also say that zsh does all that. Especially that ncurses menu thing you point out in #4. That being said, after some time, I got tired of the gizmo and went back to bash. Here are some answers : #1 and #5 can be considered "alsmost solved" :) #3 "works here". I don't use Ubuntu, but there may be several packages for bash_completion. In any case, make targets are handled. #2 is a good idea. I've written a set of function for "bookmarkin" to work around this problem. Looks like cdargs does it also. http://wiki.github.com/joelthelion/autojump seems like a good idea : a frequency analysis lets it jump to the most probable place. #4 exists "as is" in zsh. Most of the time, though, browsing around the list with arrows is not really time-effective. In bash, I have the following line in my .inputrc : "\M-a": menu-complete This means that when I type Alt-a, bash cycles through the possibilities based on what I have entered so far (bonus : inputrc is readline, so all other tools that use it behave that way !). #6 can be a problem. Bash let's you decide to have some typo fixing with shopt -s cdspell . If you type cd /tnp, this will get you to /tmp.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22657','fred'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22657','fred','Well, I would also say that zsh does all that. Especially that ncurses menu thing you point out in #4. That being said, after some time, I got tired of the gizmo and went back to bash. Here are some answers :\r\n\r\n#1 and #5 can be considered \"alsmost solved\" :)\r\n\r\n#3 \"works here\". I don\'t use Ubuntu, but there may be several packages for bash_completion. In any case, make targets are handled.\r\n\r\n#2 is a good idea. I\'ve written a set of function for \"bookmarkin\" to work around this problem. Looks like cdargs does it also.\r\nhttp:\/\/wiki.github.com\/joelthelion\/autojump seems like a good idea : a frequency analysis lets it jump to the most probable place.\r\n\r\n#4 exists \"as is\" in zsh. Most of the time, though, browsing around the list with arrows is not really time-effective. In bash, I have the following line in my .inputrc : \r\n\"\M-a\": menu-complete\r\nThis means that when I type Alt-a, bash cycles through the possibilities based on what I have entered so far (bonus : inputrc is readline, so all other tools that use it behave that way !).\r\n\r\n#6 can be a problem. Bash let\'s you decide to have some typo fixing with shopt -s cdspell . If you type cd \/tnp, this will get you to \/tmp.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Well, I would also say that zsh does all that. Especially that ncurses menu thing you point out in #4. That being said, after some time, I got tired of the gizmo and went back to bash. Here are some answers :

#1 and #5 can be considered “alsmost solved” :)

#3 “works here”. I don’t use Ubuntu, but there may be several packages for bash_completion. In any case, make targets are handled.

#2 is a good idea. I’ve written a set of function for “bookmarkin” to work around this problem. Looks like cdargs does it also.
http://wiki.github.com/joelthelion/autojump seems like a good idea : a frequency analysis lets it jump to the most probable place.

#4 exists “as is” in zsh. Most of the time, though, browsing around the list with arrows is not really time-effective. In bash, I have the following line in my .inputrc :
“\M-a”: menu-complete
This means that when I type Alt-a, bash cycles through the possibilities based on what I have entered so far (bonus : inputrc is readline, so all other tools that use it behave that way !).

#6 can be a problem. Bash let’s you decide to have some typo fixing with shopt -s cdspell . If you type cd /tnp, this will get you to /tmp.

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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22636 Alexander Sandler Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:53:37 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22636 <a href='#comment-22631' rel="nofollow">@Raymond</a> Thanks for the hint. I'll look into it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22636','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22636','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22631\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Raymond<\/a>\r\nThanks for the hint. I\'ll look into it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Raymond
Thanks for the hint. I’ll look into it.
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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22635 Alexander Sandler Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:52:16 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22635 Lots of you have recommended zsh. I am definitely going to look at it. Thanks for reminding me of it's existence :-)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22635','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22635','Alexander Sandler','Lots of you have recommended zsh. I am definitely going to look at it. Thanks for reminding me of it\'s existence :-)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Lots of you have recommended zsh. I am definitely going to look at it. Thanks for reminding me of it’s existence :-)
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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22634 Alexander Sandler Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:49:18 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22634 <a href='#comment-22619' rel="nofollow">@Chris Jones</a> Oh silly me. This is so simple :-)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22634','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22634','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22619\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Chris Jones<\/a>\r\nOh silly me. This is so simple :-)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Chris Jones
Oh silly me. This is so simple :-)
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]]> By: Alexander Sandler http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22633 Alexander Sandler Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:45:34 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22633 <a href='#comment-22617' rel="nofollow">@LeeNukes</a> Apparently: 1) bash is somehow capable of doing this - see first comment to this article. 2) zsh can do this. :-)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22633','Alexander Sandler'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22633','Alexander Sandler','<a href=\'#comment-22617\' rel=\"nofollow\">@LeeNukes<\/a>\r\nApparently:\r\n1) bash is somehow capable of doing this - see first comment to this article.\r\n2) zsh can do this.\r\n:-)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @LeeNukes
Apparently:
1) bash is somehow capable of doing this – see first comment to this article.
2) zsh can do this.
:-)
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]]> By: Raymond http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22631 Raymond Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:00:22 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22631 Hey children! Here is the real great shell: Business Shell (BUSH) http://www.pegasoft.ca/bush.html Also, thanks for reminding me about zsh; I had nearly forgotten it. There the TCP tricks are possible. With respect to Python: sure it is pointless to make bash into Python as we already have Python. Howerver, there are some things that have been done right and it may be a good idea to see how it can be transferred to bash. Happy scripting, Raymond P.S. Also rembmer that "script" and "scripture" are not the same thing. The only thing they have in common is that they are not worth getting fanatical about. :)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22631','Raymond'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22631','Raymond','Hey children!\r\n\r\nHere is the real great shell: Business Shell (BUSH)\r\n\r\n http:\/\/www.pegasoft.ca\/bush.html\r\n\r\nAlso, thanks for reminding me about zsh; I had nearly forgotten it. There the TCP tricks are possible.\r\n\r\nWith respect to Python: sure it is pointless to make bash into Python as we already have Python. Howerver, there are some things that have been done right and it may be a good idea to see how it can be transferred to bash.\r\n\r\n\r\nHappy scripting, Raymond\r\n\r\nP.S.\r\n\r\nAlso rembmer that \"script\" and \"scripture\" are not the same thing. The only thing they have in common is that they are not worth getting fanatical about. :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Hey children!

Here is the real great shell: Business Shell (BUSH)

http://www.pegasoft.ca/bush.html

Also, thanks for reminding me about zsh; I had nearly forgotten it. There the TCP tricks are possible.

With respect to Python: sure it is pointless to make bash into Python as we already have Python. Howerver, there are some things that have been done right and it may be a good idea to see how it can be transferred to bash.

Happy scripting, Raymond

P.S.

Also rembmer that “script” and “scripture” are not the same thing. The only thing they have in common is that they are not worth getting fanatical about. :)

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]]> By: p.daniels http://www.alexonlinux.com/6-things-that-i-miss-in-bash/comment-page-1#comment-22629 p.daniels Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:28:33 +0000 http://www.alexonlinux.com/?p=1395#comment-22629 For #2, check out cdargs: http://debaday.debian.net/2009/04/05/cdargs-a-browser-for-cd/<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('22629','p.daniels'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('22629','p.daniels','For #2, check out cdargs: http:\/\/debaday.debian.net\/2009\/04\/05\/cdargs-a-browser-for-cd\/'); return false;">Quote</a></div> For #2, check out cdargs: http://debaday.debian.net/2009/04/05/cdargs-a-browser-for-cd/
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